TYPES OF GOD

in Scripture

 THEIR RELATIONSHIP TO THE MATERIAL OR  DEATH REALM

THEIR RELATIONSHIP TO DIVINE HEALING

 THE ALL-GOOD
 SPIRIT OR GOD

"Thou art worthy."
No taint of evil.          

We can praise this God (the God Jesus presented) without the mental gymnastic of calling "good" some God-concept that is frequently evil.

Jesus said God was Spirit (Jn. 4:24).

This real God is inclusive - - including in infinity its  spiritual creation with higher "man" in the image and likeness of Spirit (hid with Christ in God).

It's trinitarian - - Father, Son (divine Creation), and Holy Ghost (explanation, for one thing - - see Jn. 14:26) all in One, no parts separated. 

Jesus' God was all-good - - which is the key to the elimination of all evil.

Elohim was a Bible term for the all-good God. However, the term is sometimes used for  Jehovah, and for the perhaps slightly more spiritual Yahweh (but some say Jehovah and Yahweh are interchangeable terms) (and also in the picture is Lord God, which many see as an alternate term for Jehovah). Moreover, some Canaanite low deities were called elohim.

But the top concept of Elohim is all-good, and Jesus' God, and the God of David on occasion, such as in the 23rd Psalm - - and Spirit, universal for all, ambient, Creator of spiritual (not material) creation and identities including an image for each one of us.

THE ALL-GOOD GOD IS THE BASIS OF  DIVINE HEALING - - AND OF THE END OF ALL EVIL (REV. 21:4,7).

MATERIAL HUMANS - - prone to so many ills - - ARE ALL SAVED FROM THE WORLD'S DEATH-TRAP. THEY BECOME TRANSFORMED UP AND OUT GRADUALLY,  BOTH HERE AND HEREAFTER.

EVIL IS PURGED OUT.

Divine benefits in Scripture include physical healings, supplyings, protections, changes of character, guidance, victories, even ascensions - - evidencing the overcoming of evil and of limitations of all kinds. These things are generally called Bible healing.

Encounters with the divine largely-unseen Kingdom and higher identities including our own, produce beneficial changes in the material condition, in the "Bible Pattern."

We are seeing many of these things again today, in modern and progressing stages of what will soon become the vast Age of Overcoming.

Jesus overcame the world (Jn. 16:33) one time, with his God  (Jn. 17:20-23), and told us to overcome as he did (Rev. 3:21).

Followers are expected to do his works, except those he did "once for all" (Jn. 14:12; Mat. 10:7-8; Mk. 16:17-18; Acts 1:8; Rev. 2:7, 11, 17, 26; 3:5, 12, 21; 21:4, 7 – KJV).

What, then, is the death-sentenced material realm? It's a poor and dangerous knockoff of the divine by the carnal mind, "enmity against God" (Rom. 8:6-7) or "devil" - - not part of God or the law of God. 

Did Jesus then eradicate the flesh? No, that would have been spiritual nihilism, or the use of the Spirit to kill - - thus siding with the death system. Instead, Jesus was tolerant of and beneficial to the material realm, improving the good and harmlessly purging out the evil.

God didn't create the material mess, but helps us up and out of it. We are led, and gradually transformed.

We are saved from the earth's carnal or death-mind by the all-good God - - not saved from a supposedly death-imputing Deity.

THE "GOOD-AND-EVIL"  GOD-CONCEPT

Three types of it below

The good-and-evil God (or "gods") concept is  suggested by the serpent in Genesis 3:5. 

The serpent likes the good-and-evil God-concept because it incorporates evil in the Godhead. However, in Revelation 12:9-12, we read that evil is thrown out of our sense of "heaven." Defrocked, it is in the earth, and wrathful, bringing "woe" to the inhabitants of earth.

Type 1
Old Testament
"Good-And-Evil"
God-concept

Here we see "Jehovah"
- - a God-concept very much like an outsized human male. He has emotions. He is both good and evil, capable of being both nice and unpleasant.

Particularly, Jehovah is the God-concept of the Israelite tribes, and not of the rest of the region.

Too, the Israelites were officially monotheistic. The region was polytheistic and often with the Goddess, and with lower gods and idols discussed later below.

Variously-described, Jehovah is Creator of the material death-sentenced creation. Sometimes He is fatherly but more often distant. He's "jealous." He is sin-imputing and punishing of those who stray individually, or of the tribes which stray. These will later attribute their terrible defeats by, for example, Assyrians, Babylonians and Romans to their having gotten away from God and His law - - and that God was punishing them directly or by abandonment or some of both. 

The "law" was death-centered and severe with its mob stonings and eye-for-an-eye, yet priests said it came from this God. But Jesus rebuked the law, its stonings and its death, when saving the woman caught in adultery - - and healed sin instead of killing the sinner. 

THERE WERE MANY HEALINGS OR SPECTACULAR SPIRITUAL PROTECTIONS AND VICTORIES IN THE O.T.

But this type of power was gradually lost first by the group and later even by the leaders, with a few exceptions. 

Type 2
Medieval
"Good-And-Evil"
God-concept

The EVIL was very heavy - - very pronounced - - in theologies, doctrines and sadly, in actions taken  mistakenly in God's name.

GOOD was relegated mainly (not always) to the hereafter if one could get through the harm-oriented judgments and possibilities of hell forever, found there.

Religion with few exceptions induced TERROR, and was hence not the Comforter.

Divine healing (any evidence of divine power over evil) was not evident. And it was not built into or part of the Church theologies, doctrines, rituals or expectations of that time, but instead excluded.

It was the "night" for divine works which Jesus had predicted (Jn. 9:4) - - a time in which no man could work the works of his Father.

But there were flickers here and there.

Type 3
Today
The "Good-And-Evil" God-concept In The Present

The GOOD is being emphasized strongly. 

But many believe and preach emphatically that this God holds in reserve a super-evil with which He will someday eradicate all earthly evil - - people included.

The problem there is that this concept sides with death instead of the overcoming of death, makes evil and death supreme, and  leaves us with a heavenly evil more potent than regular evil.                

THERE'S PLENTY OF DIVINE HEALING TODAY WITH THIS PREDOMINATELY GOOD "good-and-evil" God-concept.

Followers are found largely in the Pentecostal and Charismatic parts of the power-Christianity spectrum - - where adherents are said to now number more than a half-billion worldwide.     

Since the Spirit today is "on all flesh," anyone can benefit if they will "let the divine in."

Jesus wanted us all to do his works - - Jn. 14:12; Mat. 10:7-8; Mk. 16:17-18; Acts 1:8; Rev. 2:7, 11, 17, 26; 3:5, 12, 21; 21:4, 7 – KJV.

The ancient Goddess or Magna Mater was perceived as creating the material world, especially all living things. (Compare this to the carnal mind today).

She created the male, and hence is superior to him. But around 3,000 BCE she was pushed off of center stage by male cultures, yet remained very much in the picture in the Middle East and Eastern Mediterranean under different names, and into the present in cultures and religions, even, some say, in Christianity.

(In Hebrew history, Solomon "went for  Ashtoreth" - - I Ki. 1-8 - -  late in his life.)

Today, the Goddess idea is in a strong revival in the world, in Wicca and other forms both of light witchcraft or sorcery, and heavy-duty types, and in Gaia or Mother Earth, Mother Nature worship.

In theory, the Goddess  created the male, and hence is superior to him. Males took over for a while, but now that equality reigns by law (in much of the West anyhow), the Goddess-idea would reassert itself and move to what it calls "fulfillment" in feminine superiority.

The material-creating Creatrix is the opposite of Jesus' God (Spirit - - Jn. 4:24) who makes spiritual Creation and an equality far above the materially-divided sexes. 

Woman of Babylon
In Scripture, we read of the defeated Woman of Babylon, in whom is the blood or evidence of all who were slain on earth.  

See Goddess-real.com for much more about the Goddess. 

The material-creation (or carnal) mind consists only of bundles of thoughts opposite to, or different from, God.

These are joined to make up human collective consciousness past, present, and sketched-in future.

Material creation is a knockoff.  Nice days and pretty flowers (partly mixed with the real divine) are good, but life for most people on earth is dangerous and often tragic. And the darkest is yet to be seen from the  depths. 

The material mind (biblical carnal mind)  objectifies itself as matter - - which is always limiting, often disastrous. 

Thoughts opposite to God  claim identity - - the first thing in a "con game."
Revelation calls Satan that which "deceiveth" (Rev. 12:9) and Jesus said the devil was a "liar" (Jn. 8:44). 

Devil (and devils) don't exist in heaven or Jesus' "truth."

They are the only things that act destructively or in an evil manner - - and they try to blame their evil on God.  

The Devil claims God-status, or some kind of intertwining, or a separate high status which some theologies claim God for the particular time can't or won't eliminate.

But in Revelation, the devil is thrown from our sense of heaven.

Twisted thoughts "screw" humans, and this sadism obtains masochistic or "pleasure" responses. The relationship of the carnal mind to its creation is sadomasochistic.  

Many like our death-trap, and don't want to change out of it.   

The Goddess Originator concept would set up earthly kingdoms and death-prone fleshly people (instead of accepting the divine Kingdom with its deathless spiritual identities). 

Evil's main false control and oppression mechanism is "The law of sin [followed by death from an adversarial God]."

Another popular mechanism is the pyramidal system manipulating psyches into drastic  types of one-left-standing competition, devouring, stratifying. It scapegoats its sins usually below into the hapless bottom which it creates and maintains. There, the oppressed  suffer, and sufficient numbers die to cleanse the pyramid.

The pyramid culminates in the one-world "666"
with one man in control.

The divine opposite of the pyramid is the "city... foursquare" - -  the  symbol of the infinite spiritual divine Kingdom (which is ever-present and ambient, as the Scriptures tell us, although we thus far see and use only a little of it).

THE GODDESS SYSTEM IS ANTI-DIVINE HEALING.

Jesus represented all-good Spirit and its spiritual creation - - and showed that encounters with this produce beneficial changes in material bodies and lives. 

Such benefits are in the "Bible Pattern."

The Goddess-concept doesn't want any evidence of power over evil!

But in the last couple of centuries, and in the last half-century, biblical benefits have pushed out a growing place for themselves. The carnal mind has been forced to yield some ground.

The fake faces elimination in the end-time of evil.

Coming up in retaliation to the good are Biblical "wonders" (both good and evil, but particularly evil) that will not be of God but will be so amazing that even the "elect" would be fooled if that were possible.

And evil's most hidden depths, which we haven't seen yet, will be revealed. 

But in time, all misconcepts and distortions of the true nature of the Deity which Jesus presented (and continues to present) - - and all ignorings of   spiritual creation including our lives hid with Christ in God - - will be harmlessly dissolved by the real conceptions.

BELOW IS AN EXCERPT FROM
IS THERE A LITTLE-KNOWN BIBLE SUPER-SCIENCE?
by Karl Roebling

DO WE MAKE GOD FIT OUR CONCEPTIONS?

Do we make God fit our conceptions?
      And even when lifted in prayer to new views, don't we quickly engineer the new back into comfortable old boxes as soon as - - and as much as - - possible?

Two Basic Bible Streams

       Aren't there two basic Bible streams - - one divine and the other the "carnal mind," or devil which doesn't tell the truth (Jn. 8:44)?
      We read of God "with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning" (James 1:17) - - while other descriptions tell us of changeableness, the opposite. 
      We read that "God is light, and in him is no darkness at all" (I Jn. 1:5), and also of God as the opposite - - wrathful and very dark. 
      We read that God is "of purer eyes than to behold evil" (Hab. 1:13) - - but also that God does evil things.
      We read that everything God created is good (Gen. 1:31) - - but also of God saying, "I create evil" (Isa. 45:7).
      Jesus kept the mob from killing the sinful woman, and healed and upgraded her - - yet in some other places the Bible indicates that God and God's law kills us for our sins.
      Jesus said, "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father" (the nature of the Father) (Jn. 14:9) - - yet  the Bible also tells us we cannot look upon God's face and live.
      Surely two opposite streams are shown. And in this showing, we can see that the carnal mind or devil likes to pose as God.

      Were the writers wrong? No - - they were sincere, honest and dedicated, giving us their most inspired impression of what they saw, felt and heard. But they were affected by their subjective seeing - - by their own mind.

      Jesus said God is Spirit (Jn. 4:24), but don't we make God in the human image? (For example, Michelangelo depicted an anthropomorphic or human-form God as a big material man creating a material Adam.) But if we accept God as Spirit, we can then consider a spiritual image and likeness for our real being.
      Of identity created by Spirit, Jesus said, "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou...canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit" (see Jn. 3:3-8, esp. 6-8). (Verse 6 as much as tells us that the fleshly human hasn't a spiritual origin.) Nonetheless, Jesus was very tolerant of, and benevolent towards, the "natural man." His ministry and other parts of the Bible, show us that awareness of the Spirit progressively changes us out of the flesh without harm.

      Most believe God made the flawed fleshly creation, but have we considered the possibility that the biblical carnal mind, devil (or Goddess, see above) is the creator of the burdensome flesh, and the operator of the "prison" system which Jesus came to break (Isa. 42:7; 61:1; Lk. 4:18), and bled in breaking on our behalf?

       In Isaiah we read that God's ways are higher than our ways, his thoughts than our thoughts (Isa. 55:8-9). So for seeking the higher ways and higher thoughts, are our window blinds open or closed?

       Is there a spiritual creation? One is described in Genesis chapters 1 and 2 through 2:3, where identity is Spirit's image and the fruit of all trees can be eaten - - and all is "good." Are we overlooking this when we begin our studies with the later Genesis 2:4 and the material Adam story?
      (Adam is reputed to have existed about 4000 BC, but no Bible writing was done before about 1250 BC.)

      The Bible tells us, "man that is born of a woman is of few days and full of trouble" (Job 14:1). Also that "the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God" (Paul in I Cor. 2:14). There are two types of "man" in Scripture. In one all live, while in the other "all die" (I Cor. 15:22). Yet we each have an identity in the Spirit - - a life "hid with Christ in God."
      Paul said Jesus had earlier been in the "form of God" but "took upon him" a lower "form" and was "made in the likeness of men" (Phil. 2:6-7). Paul also said, "Though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more [after the flesh]" (II Cor. 5:16). 
     Jesus can be present in a meeting in Africa and in the US at the same time. This Christ or higher sense followed Moses (I Cor. 10:4) more than 1,000 years before Jesus appeared in a fleshly form to help us. Jesus' spiritual identity knew Abraham, and Abraham knew him (Jn. 8:56-58). Jesus' spiritual identity knew David, and David knew him (Mat. 22:41-45). These things indicate we might seek Jesus in a more spiritual sense.
      A fleshly sense of Jesus helps us connect to the higher - - and that's good, and what is intended, as long as it doesn't become a permanent substitute for the spiritual, thus blocking in a degree our aspirations for the higher.  

      What is this "carnal mind"? Paul tells us it is "enmity against God" (Rom. 8:6-7) - - and to be carnally minded is "death." This is a description of the "devil" - -"enmity against God," oppositeness.
      Jesus, faced with sin day after day, healed sin. He said the sinner needed the physician. He treated sickness and sin alike. He even said, "Which of you convinceth me of sin?" (Jn. 8:46). 
      But another concept of God imputes sin, separates us from God instead of bringing us into "one" (Jn. 17:20-23). It ruthlessly exercises the number one "mechanism" of the carnal mind - - the "law of sin [followed by death from a harsh, death-imparting God]."
      Does God impart death - - or does God instead overcome death, raise the dead, and tell us to do the same?
      Paul said God was not imputing trespasses unto us (II Cor. 5:19). He said the "law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus" freed him from the "law of sin and death" (Rom. 8:2). In Revelation we read, "the accuser of our brethren is cast down" (12:10).
     In medieval times, artists and theologians alike showed a Satan who tormented fleshly humans, and a God who did the same!
     Have we wrongly assigned Satan's characteristics to Jesus' Deity? And have we left out the all-kind, benevolent, helpful Deity?
      When we think about it, could the "last enemy" that shall be "destroyed" (I Cor. 15:26) - - death - - come from the High God? Not likely.

      The carnal mind hides, and operates in our lives.
      The pyramid or pyramidal organizational structure is its home and framework - - totally unequal, destructively competitive and exclusionary. It has a basic, two-class upper and lower system of controllers and controlled - - with endless levels and mini-levels coming off of those two basics. It is ideally set up as a scapegoat temple for dumping off onto others. As such, it creates and maintains the bottom for its necessary scapegoat blood/death outlet.
      Becoming narrower as it goes up, it arouses the worst instincts in humans. Contrast it to the divine system shown in the spiritual city foursquare in Revelation.

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       Note: The Bible speaks against "mammon" and materialism, of which "Egypt" is a symbol.  But the Bible also shows matter changing - - transforming upward and eventually out - - as humans encounter the divine Kingdom inclusive of Higher man.
      We might ask, What is matter? Einstein showed that matter converts to energy. Physicists today say the amount of particles in matter is miniscule, and that matter is mostly space. That gets us thinking. In a remarkable healing I had in an Early Christian type church, my leg was lengthened in front of my eyes, and it was all light. The light just shot out in three or four bursts. I could see we were not dealing with blood vessels, bones and flesh.
      But how can the higher "mind that was in Christ Jesus" change the physique? Matter changes because the carnal mind objectifies itself as matter (and declares it to be our ruler), when if our consciousness changes even a little to "the mind that was in Christ Jesus," the carnal mind (often our own mind in one degree or another) changes and hence the physical outward appearance changes.
      In the "Bible pattern," encounters with the divine result in beneficially-changed human conditions. 
      Jesus in his ministry improved the material realm, getting rid only of "tares."  He improved mortals - - didn't kill them or her or threaten to do so. And he told us to do his works. Only the bath water is cast out, but the "baby" improves on the transformational path up (which continues in hereafter states until done). 

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      Christians often mix the opposites - - God and death - - believing death comes from God. But in Revelation, the "accuser" (backed by death threats in the "law of sin followed by death from a harsh God") is cast from our concept of heaven (Rev. 12:9, 12) (and later, death itself is ended - - Rev. 21:4, 7). We separate our growing sense of God as good from the sneaky fraud or liar claiming to be God, to speak for God, and to have not only power, but supreme power. 
      After being exposed, the devil's "wrath" in the earth is great (Rev. 12:12) - - and typically, it tries to blame this end-time wrath on the all-good God.

      Attempting to get our mind around God, we preach that we understand God. We build doctrinal "boxes" and pour lids of cement. But our closed boxes (which have some merit) shut out the light needed for progress. Religions - - unlike other disciplines - - try to be static. And they tend to hold the future to the past.
      So should we demolish the boxes? No - - they've brought us this far. But opening them on top allows necessary progress. Still, I readily concede, too much openness can admit unwanted elements.
      In the secular realm, we don't destroy history, but use it for a steadying force. The same can apply in religion.
      With the Holy Spirit washing over the world today with dramatic results, we are stirred to adjust upward.

      To get in touch with the divine, some go to a place, or to the "waters," or through a ritual. My preference is simply, "Hello, God," and also, "Thanks, God."
      To ask others whom we consider more capable - - such as ministers or prayer groups - - to pray for us, has been proven workable (certainly up to a point), by and for many people; but our individual relationship and encounter with God is still the key factor. 

       That people exist on the other side is Scriptural. For example, the appearing of Moses and Elijah to Jesus on the Mount.
      A TV documentary said some people pray to their late mothers. Many like a motherly divine sense, and Catholics pray to Mary. 
      There are many examples of good results from praying to departed saints. Would the results be better if one prayed direct to God? Many believe that prayer to another who in turn intercedes is the more likely way to obtain results. Some fear exposure to God.

      Prayers can connect despite different concepts of God and how to pray. With today's web, we can see the different ways others approach their concepts of Deity - - yet often get practical results.
      Prayers that obtain results, can vary widely. The main thing is that prayer opens us up to what's waiting to come in. But the clearer our channel, the better the inflow.

       I may disagree with the concept of a fierce God presented by one minister, but I admire his dedication and sincere love of God. His testimony of shots fired at him from a few feet away, that veered in their paths, was impressive. I knew of two other bullet testimonies, one where a praying person who believed in an all-good God saw bullets drop harmlessly although fired from several feet away. In another, the praying person believed in a God whose nature was about halfway between fierce and all-good, where again the bullets were rendered harmless in mid-flight, although fired from an extremely short distance away.
      (As for bullet testimonies, American Indians on occasion said they fired directly at General Washington on his horse, but couldn't hit him, and came to believe he was under special protection.)

      Regarding prayer, I personally believe that every prayer - - even if it appears not to count - - counts in the end. Mothers pray for years for wayward sons, and all of a sudden a change occurs. I've had resolutions of long-term problems in which I've seen that every prayer over the years had an effect - - and on me as well. 

      Will we insist on what we want, or instead pray to learn more about God and what He wants - - and be willing to change? My road has been paved with "I was wrong about that, God," and "I didn't know about that, God," plus thanks for information opening further fields, connections and capabilities. In school, the teacher corrects 2+2=5, opening up realms blocked by the wrong answer.

       In any event, the obtaining of knowledge involves learning, and we can neither obtain nor learn if our conceptions are closed and final.

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